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please email me the video....it wasn't working
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Video not working for me either... Please email it to [email protected]. I'm highly interested.

This reeks of a pyramid scheme or multi-level marketing. By clicking that link, the website stores a cookie in your browser and the person gets a $40 referral bonus if you sign up. And to sign up there's a fee of $129. And to get paid for advertising your car, the ad on your car must generate income. In other words, if nobody visits the link on the sticker on your car, then you will not get paid (and instead, you'd lose $129 and have a silly sticker on your car). On top of that, there are potentially 5 levels of referrers above you who get a cut from your commission. In other words, it is a pyramid scheme. And usually when you see a thread with GIANT CAPS AND EXCLAMATION MARKS, YOU CAN TELL THAT THE PERSON IS DESPERATE FOR YOUR MONEY!!!

If you want to view the website without the referral link. Just go to grocerywave.com directly, and you can see for yourself how much of a scam this is. I feel sorry for the original person who got scammed out of $129, and now is desperately trying to get other people to sign up under his account so that he can get back the money that he got scammed from. But at the same time, I also don't feel sorry for him, because he is trying to scam other people to make back his money.

Allen - I saw that too - careful or you'll be an angry idiot relying on patience or the full extent of the law!

Also saw that it is titled advertise our business but if you get into the site and look at the "terms" there is no fee to join but it talks about refunding your initial inventory! Kinda like not seeing the difference between "sell your timeshare guaranteed" and "if we can't sell it you get your deposit back" - but I guess it's the Customers fault if they fall for the headline and sales pitch, not the actual contract!

Allen, you are labeling this opportunity a scam and you have no basis for that label. The only thing that reeks here is your misunderstanding of what a pyramid scehme is. Your dramatic over reaction is very common from people who don't understand a business so they label it a pyramid scheme. Please take another look at the video with an open mind as your statements are incorrect. When people look at something with a bias going in then this normally the reaction they have after they think they understand what it is. Pyramid schemes and mutilevel marketing are two entirely different things. One is not the other. You obviously feel they are one in the same. You are speaking from your preconceived opinion and not facts.
Please research the official definition of a pyramid scehme.
Here is Wikipedia's description as an example:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme

And the U.S. Government explination is here:
www.sec.gov/answers/pyramid.htm

This company IS NOT A PYRAMID SCEHME and if you feel it is please explain why you feel it is as the company complies with ALL the rules and regulations set forth by United States law to ensure that it is not a pyramid scehme.
Storing a cookie in a browser is standard operating procedure with ANY website (including your own) when a person visits said website on the internet. What's the issue?

If through advertising on your car you bring in a new person who wishes to get involved then the original advertiser gets a $40 referral check from the company. You are exactly right, if nobody reacts to the advertisment on your car then you don't get paid. When I look at your links about you and I don't take advantage of your offers then you don't get paid correct? What's the problem? Race cars have ads all over them and everybody that sees those ads don't always buy the product or service being advertised do they? Does that mean that is a pyramid scehme? By your explination it is. Sorry my using capitol letters caught your attention. It has nothing to do with a desperate person trying to scam someone out of their money. This is a simple offer. If a person reads and understands then chooses not to get involved then so be it. Try something else. Where else can a person get started in a business for $129 and get that money back with a little effort in a short amount of time? By the way, thanks for using my ad to promote your stuff. Congratulations on your success. Now let me help others in theirs.

Lori Comer, John Ferrero, Anna Wahlstrom,
Thanks for your interest in our opportunity! My apologies about the video as we had some technical issues with it at that time. It is working very well now and many other folks are using it and they have reported no problems watching or understanding the opportunity. Please take a moment now and try it out. Please note that you may get involved in a few different levels depending on your personal level of interest.
If you have any further questions please contact me directly at 407-910-8610

Here is the link

http://www.madmark.grocerywave.com/

All the best,

Mark

I tried to order groceries through the site but couldn't. It looks like the service only sells the service (and an energy patch). How can I get groceries delivered?

Lorie Shewbridge and Brian Hart, as a new business we are making sure we have everything working properly before we offer it to the public. That is why we at this time are looking for people who can see and understand our business model and we are looking for the MADS to get the word out. Once we have those MADS on board and shoppers ready to go we can then know we have the ability to service our customers properly. We don't want to offer the service and then not be able to produce. That would be a disaster. We should have the ability to shop through the website within two weeks. That info was just confirmed to me by the CEO of the company at 11:00pm Sunday 10-28-12. I will let you know when we are operational at that time. In the interim are you interested in starting out as a MAD advertiser? You can become a shopper later for no aditional fee or are you just interested in being a customer? We welcome you in any capacity. Thanks for your interest! Stay tuned for the kick off!

Go ahead, explain the business in plain English then. So far, this is what I envisioned when I saw the $40 referral business and the 5-levels referral system:

(except it's $40 that you're getting, and not $30). You're right, it doesn't look like a pyramid. So sorry; It's a DOME-shaped scheme.

I actually visited the website and this thread with an open mind. I thought it was a great idea to be paid to advertise on my car. In fact, I advertise on my car already:

See? It says Rego Apps on the windshield. And I also know other companies that pay people to advertise on their car. The difference? In the other businesses, COMPANIES pay you to put the ad on your car. But in this grocerywave business, YOU pay the company (and the referrer) money to put the ad on your car. Interesting that you bring up advertising on race cars. Do you think companies like Home Depot ask Jeff Gordon to pay them $129 to advertise their logo on their car? That's ridiculous. It's the other way around: Home Depot pays Jeff Gordon. Now if you paid me to put your grocerywave sticker on my car, then I'd say you have an interesting business, and I might have even signed up. But if you're telling me that I have to pay you $129 to put an ugly sticker on my car, then I have something else to say about that.


Sure thing.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-leve ... legitimacy

Source: http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm

You are asking people to sign up for grocerywave and yet there's no legit grocery delivery website behind it yet. You're making money from recruiting people, and those people can't even make money from selling products (at least not yet). So for now, it is a pyramid scheme, because according to the FTC, "Steer clear of multilevel marketing plans that pay commissions for recruiting new distributors. They're actually illegal pyramid schemes. Why is pyramiding dangerous? Because plans that pay commissions for recruiting new distributors inevitably collapse when no new distributors can be recruited. And when a plan collapses, most people - except perhaps those at the very top of the pyramid - end up empty-handed."

See? Even the FTC says that your business is an "illegal pyramid scheme". Are you denying that your MLM plan doesn't pay commissions for recruiting new distributors? Because the slideshow clearly says that you get $40 for each person you recruit.

That's not what I had an issue with. I'm explaining to people what's going on with the whole referral thing. Asking for people for $129 for a sticker is what I have an issue with.


Yes, simple offer. And I'm giving you my simple response to your simple offer. If you don't want someone with a BRAIN to respond to your advertisement, then maybe you should have stuck with Craigslist and Classified ads, where people with a BRAIN can't respond to your ad. Isn't that what they taught you at MAD? http://www.globalpartnerssite.com/ <~ Is this not the webinar that they made you read? Is this not where they taught you to use http://www.CraigsList.com http://www.BackPage.com to advertise your MLM business? It's very interesting that they teach you more about how to advertise your MLM business and recruit new people than they teach you how to actually use the sticker. I like that your "GET PAID TO ADVERTISE" title was right there near the bottom of the page of suggested MLM Titles. BTW, this website looks VERY legit. You'd think that a person who earns $4000 a month can afford to hire a better web designer.

Those curious about the company: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBtH_DGvJgM Interesting that they keep changing the URL of the company. One of the original website was called southeasterndelivery.com That URL is now dead. The video was made in June 1, 2012. That means that that business didn't even last a few months. What happened to those people's $129 then? Here's what happened:
Source: http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/MLM_matrix_scam.html

If this is true, then why not give the sticker away for its shipping and manufacturing costs (like around $1-5), and then take the $129 from the commission that they earn after they actually make money? Oh, right. Because most people who sign up for MLM businesses don't even make a profit. Silly me; thinking with that darn BRAIN, again.

I'm assuming that you're referring to my forum signature. That goes on every one of my forum posts and not specifically for your post. I am also trying to help others be successful. And I do it by educating them. I also educate them for FREE. The links you see below are for FREE things. Just like how people are using my FREE police scanner app in the Northeast to get live Hurricane Sandy updates. I don't ask them for $129. That's the difference between you and I. I got rich, because people want my products and are telling their friends to get my products through word of mouth for FREE. You are trying to get rich by asking people to pay you to spread your business around. Anyway, good luck on your MLM business. If you want to learn how to run a successful business from a person who actually has a successful business, then read my book. There's a chapter in there that tells you to avoid MLM businesses that ask you to put money upfront first. There's also a chapter in there that says that you should run a legit business, because businesses that aren't will eventually bite you in the buttocks.

Anyway, okay. Let's just pretend that your business is not a pyramid scheme. If you're so sure that it isn't, then you wouldn't mind me pasting the contact information to the FTC fraud complaint phone number here, right? http://www.stopfraud.gov/report.html#massmarket You know, just in case, someone needs to reference this thread in the future if they ever feel like they were tricked. I know you wouldn't mind, because your business is 100% legal and legit, right? Then, there's no reason for you to complain about it.

Allen,


You claim that Grocery Wave is in any way shape or form connected in any way with Southeastern Delivery or ANY other company is a gross misrepresentation and is just not true. You claims are putting you in a very compromising position. The owners of Grocery Wave will be made aware of your claim and they may contact you regarding your statements. I would be very careful of making any more remarks about this! Sharing your opinion is one thing Allen, but making these kind of claims as you have are now begging legal action against you. This offer is obviously NOT for you. You still don't get it and you still want to bash it. I asked you to explain your position and you come back with all this confusing junk that does not apply to our business. You just seem to hate all multi-level marketing and will go to any length to let the world know that. Your research and quoted material states that all MLM's are not bad but you are ignoring this and still insist we are a scam. Have you called me to have me show it to you? No. You choose to try to trash it in a very unprofessional manner and you make yourself bad. You seem to be contradicting yourself in your claim about pyramid schemes. You then retract your claim then bring it up again. Please get your facts straight. You again hijacked my ad to promote your business for a second time. That is what people see. I went to your website and looked at it and did I say anything negative about your business? No. Did I try to warn people to be careful of photographers because some of them are pedophiles or perverts and they try to lure unsuspecting women to come to them in an innocent way but have other motives? No, I did not do that. Did I start running you down for exploiting women with that one photo of the girl in a very sexist pose sitting in your car? No, I have not. I wouldn't think of doing that because that is a very underhanded way of running someone down and it does do damage to that person and you do know this. So, now here we are. We all know that you don't like my offer. Great! I'm very happy without you. It is not for you. You do not qualify.

I'm not sure if I understand the offer (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Everyone who joins (regardless of what task they perform) but be an advertiser. Each advertiser must pay $129 up front and then $40 every month on the "showcase product."

So that's $129 to join plus $480 per year (every year) to be a part of this organization.

Charlie, you have a legitimate question and I will answer your question and any other questions you or others have through the email provided in the ad. Because of some other people abusing the forum and using this forum as a opportunity to attack neighbors with legitimate purposes I am not entertaining any more questions or comments through this forum. For those folks that can follow the directions and use the email provided in the ad, I will be more than happy to answer any questions. The nastiness of some deranged people who have an agenda to bash others have forced me to make this decision. I will not play with ego maniacs that have an axe to grind any longer. The people who are supposed to monitor for this type of abuse are not doing their job and I will not be party to any of this nonsense any longer. Civility in forum communications is one of the terms of use in the forum and it is not being monitored. It is such a shame that in this community an infection of rude and downright nasty people have moved in and are ruining life in this town. I have no time or energy for them. There are always one or two individuals that ruin everything in life and we sadly have witnessed that here. Charlie, you are not one of those nasty folks. I just have to draw the line now and made this decision because of others not you. Thanks for understanding.

What about if we prepay the $40 per month fee? Is there a discount if we pay for the entire year upfront? And what about my car? I've got kind of a crappy car and then a really really nice car.......does the amount I pay have anything to do with the quality of my car? To be honest, I think crappy cars should pay more. Like Allen's sweet car....he might shouldn't have to pay as much cause of his nice car. Have you considered those options? Or does that not matter?

I digress....I'm really just interested if there is any prepay discount.

JR

So who exactly is Cathryn Craft (the original poster) and how is she related/involved with all of this?

Are you threatening me? That's not very neighborly of you. Especially when everything I've posted was carefully researched:

What you're looking at is a screenshot of Afton Brown's LinkedIn page. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/afton-brown/37/843/834
Afton Brown is the owner of Southeastern Delivery, a company that lasted only 6 months. She is now the COO of Grocery Wave. If you go to the Grocery Wave's refund policy letter, you can see that the letter was signed by Afton Brown to further cement the connection between Southeastern Delivery and Grocery Wave.

Oh and if you go to http://www.globalpartnerssite.com (the webinar for Grocery Wave) you'll see a link that says to contact:
Daniel Singleton
Cell: (954) 504-3085
Email: [email protected]

And if you go to the Southeastern Delivery company's YouTube video page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBtH_DGvJgM You can see in the description, it also says [email protected] Same person.

So that's TWO people I was able to connect between the two companies. So why are you getting so defensive when I mentioned Southeastern Delivery, Mark? And even threatening to sue me? I think I might know why. Let me explain: A person named Gary Calhoun was an owner of Southeastern Delivery, and there were a lot of complaints about his grocery delivery scam.

http://www.scambook.com/report/view/123 ... -$5,000.00
http://www.ripoffreport.com/work-at-hom ... -1d39e.htm
(There's more. Just Google search "Gary Calhoun Scam" or "Southeastern Delivery Scam")

Here's a video on YouTube by someone who was scammed by Gary Calhoun and Southeastern Delivery:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI5LGaMRJGg

If you read the comments, you'll see that he was not the only one who was scammed. There are countless others. According to one YouTube comment, Gary has "over $400,000.00 of judgments against him".


You just did. You think by putting your negative statements in question form makes it less obvious that you're trying to say something negative about my business?

Really? I'm exploiting women for wanting to take pictures with my car? Really? You're going to stoop to spreading negative rumors about me now? Let me get something straight with you. These professional models are my friends who asked me to take pictures of them. They have seen my work, and they ask me to shoot them. There was nothing unsuspecting about it. They do these poses on their own and choose their own outfits. Why? Because they use these photos for their modeling portfolio. And since when was it sexist to be sexy? What are you? A Puritan? Sounds more like you're the sexist one around here if you think that women shouldn't be allowed to look sexy.

Anyway, for the record, I was not replying to your ad and I never called you any nasty names. I was replying to someone else's ad. You're the one who stepped in and asked me to explain why I thought this was a pyramid scheme. So, I took my time and explained it to you. So far, you haven't answered any of my questions to explain why it ISN'T a pyramid scheme. And it looks like now you're going to go in hiding because you feel that I'm "attacking" you. I'm not attacking YOU. I'm attacking the Grocery Wave business model. This is nothing personal. I don't know you, and you're probably a nice guy. And I'm giving you a chance to explain yourself as well. Explain how Grocery Wave is different from Southeastern Delivery.

BTW, here's some friendly advice: Don't passive-aggressively call a multi-millionaire who drives Lamborghini's and has lunch with the top lawyers of America a pedophile (all of my model friends are 18+, so get your eyes checked). And definitely don't threaten to sue him. Just a friendly tip. Oh, and please do research before you make claims like: "claim that Grocery Wave is in any way shape or form connected in any way with Southeastern Delivery... is just not true." It took me just ten seconds to search Google and find the connection: http://www.google.com/search?q="grocery+wave"+southeastern+delivery (psst, it's the #1 result)

Says the person calling other people:
1. downright nasty
2. rude
3. pervert
4. pedophile
5. deranged
6. ego maniacs
7. unprofessional
8. sexist
9. exploiting

No mirrors in your house, Mark? Okay, that was a low blow. But you were asking for it.

P.S. Mark, you want to keep digging this hole? Okay, let's go. I just have to drop your name onto Google along with your Timeshare resale business that you mentioned in your other forum threads (and here: http://www.florida-job.net/sales.1945.html) and this is what I found:


http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/timeshare-resale-orlando-florida-c170170.html
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complain ... 18278.html
http://realtytrade.info/?p=92#comment-323
http://usaconsumercomplaints.com/real-e ... fusal.html

All has your full name on it, Mark. Care to explain?

More about his RealtyTrade business:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/bbb-better- ... -7f7z3.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/bbb-better- ... -ze5d8.htm

Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=mark+he ... +timeshare

And good luck trying to sue me for this, because all I did was post links about you that I found on Google. I haven't said a single thing about you. I'll let all of your previous clients do the talking. Karma's a b***h, ain't it? This is why I wrote a chapter in my book about not conducting shady/scam businesses. Your reputation will come back to bite you. Oh, there I go again, shamelessly plugging my book on how to be successful like me. Free copy at http://regoapps.com/lifehacked I'm such a bad person for putting my ad on these forums. Maybe I should stop posting ads to my business here. *cough cough*

And that, my friends, is how to drag someone behind the woodshed....

It is truly refreshing to see someone beat to hell & back with nothing but a keyboard.

I was beginning to think that common sense was a superpower...

Hi Jim
if you want to see a real lack of common sense, just wait until tuesday!

So true, so true.....

More popcorn please!

Btw: Nice photos Allen

Ask and ye shall receive:


Cathryn Craft of 501 Mi****** ***** #5**, who lives with and is engaged with Mark Hershberger.
Contacts: [email protected] [email protected] 407-578-24**
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cathryncraft
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ccraftnfs
Twitter: https://twitter.com/ccraftnfs
MyNetworkingPro Profile: http://www.mynetworkingpro.com/viewprof ... =ccraftnfs
Cathryn Craft watches "LIVE! with Kelly and Michael" and "Oprah". She is twice married and believes in God. She has been together with Mark for over 9 years now and they are engaged (according to Facebook). She currently works as Sales Administrative Assistant for Timeshare Divorce. She wishes that Mark had more money.

Picture of Mark and Cathryn:


Now that I got that out of the way. I just want to do an update on this thread, since Mark will most likely never reply. But it does appear that Mark tries to defend himself on his public client complaints. Evidence:

Source: http://www.complaintsboard.com/complain ... 70170.html
Here, you see him addressing the complaint on Nov. 3rd, 2012 (a day after I posted my research on him). What's interesting is that he defends himself oddly in the third person. And it's a defense on a complaint from March, 2009. The complaint was that Mark ignored the client's calls, emails, and any form of contact (btw, this complaint is unwarranted, because Mark DOES reply to people who try to contact him... It just takes 3.7 years for him to reply). Mark's defense is that he is not responsible for his company's disputes, because he is just "an independent sales rep" of Realty Trade.

He defends his company's actions by saying, "Realty Trade's agreement never stated any kind of refund of any money to any customer if the timeshare did not sell." That's very interesting that he says that, because just two weeks ago, he said, "If we cannot get you out of your timeshare ownership there is NO charge to you. That is the guarantee."
Source:


I thought that maybe I was just not reading this right. After all, the charge could mean the % cut they get from the actual sale. And the complaint was about the deposit they gave the company to start the sale. So, maybe Mark isn't contradicting himself, because he is talking about the "charge" and not the "deposit". My hopes were dashed when I scrolled down a little more to find this from Mark: "We do the work first and when the job is done we get paid. What is the problem with that? They only pay a deposit and if we can't get the job done they are refunded."
Source:


And there we have the contradiction. On one hand, we have Mark from this week saying, "Realty Trade's agreement never stated any kind of refund of any money to any customer if the timeshare did not sell." On the other hand, we have Mark from two weeks ago saying, "If we cannot get you out of your timeshare ownership there is NO charge to you... They only pay a deposit and if we can't get the job done they are refunded." The only way for these two Marks to not contradict each other is if the "job done" means that Mark's only job is to charge your credit card and take your deposit. Once that job is done, then you are no longer entitled to a refund, because the job is "done".

So now that we know what Mark's real job is, let's find out what kind of deposit we're talking about here. A couple of bucks? Nope. Try $3,480.00 from one person. That's right. Source: http://realtytrade.info/?page_id=2

So now that we know what the amount is around, we should see who in the company is doing the credit card debiting. Maybe it's the company that's doing the debiting and it is really the company to blame here? Nope. "This outfit is corrupt and I need your help in receiving the $1, 400 I paid back in Dec. 2008. That is another matter. I did not authorize the payment by credit card until January, 2009, but the salesman, Mark Hershberger, debited the card in December." Mark is the one who does it. He debits the credit card and then leaves this person hanging for over three years before he replies. And he only made replies because he's trying to cover his a**. If I didn't call him out on it, this incident would have been behind him, and he would continue sleeping like a baby.
Source: http://www.complaintsboard.com/complain ... 18278.html

So now that we know who is to blame here and how much of a deposit Mark takes, now we should find out how many people Mark's company scammed. And doing a quick search, we can find that there are a ton of complaints about this business: http://www.complaintsboard.com/byurl/re ... e.com.html

From just the Better Business Bureau website alone, the Realty Trade company received a whooping total of 246 complaints. And most of the complaints received no response from the Realty Trade. Source: http://www.bbb.org/central-florida/busi ... -172358692

There was even a government action against the company, where the company were made to pay a settlement for their deceptive marketing: http://www.bbb.org/central-florida/busi ... govtaction

There is an old Polish adage, "Only the guilty explains himself." I'm going to revise that and say, "Only the guilty explains himself and makes a fool out of himself in the process."

Finally, I leave you all with this masterpiece: a Facebook post made by Mark:

Source: https://www.facebook.com/mark.hershberger.35

He said in May 2011, "Major announcement within the MPB Today Business. The CEO of our company, Gary Calhoun,made this information available just tonight at 9:25pm, est. The first 5 cities that will have grocery delivery and pick up service are..."

Who is this Gary Calhoun guy again? And what is this MPB Today business again with the grocery delivery thing?
Source: http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/09/07 ... -syndrome/

This was an article written in 2010. The Southeastern Delivery grocery delivery business that they are talking about belongs to Gary Calhoun and his MPB Today company. Mark worked for MPB Today and thus worked for Southeastern Delivery LLC... That name sounds familiar... say, Mark... didn't you say that there NO connection between Grocery Wave and Southeastern Delivery? Well, guess what? You're the third link between the two. On your LinkedIn page, it says that you worked for them:

Forgot where you worked a few months ago, buddy?

Oh, by the way, if you're reading this, Mark: This entire forum thread was put on my website. It will also be indexed by Google, Yahoo, Bing, Baidu, etc. and be shown as another result when people search your name and/or your Grocery Wave and Timeshare Resale business. This is an example of why you shouldn't conduct shady/scamming businesses and you should not ignore your client's complaints. And if you haven't gotten the message yet, the lesson here is that a person's wealth is only worth what his word's worth. And also... KARMA IS A B***H.